Re: [FuN]ivor-bigone Banned as of April 20th 2013
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:10 pm
Don't get me wrong here, I love a good discussion as long if it's done respectful.
A small history lesson:
I have been a Game-Director on FraggedNation for about a year from 2011 to 2012 when Ivor took it over around Aug, 2012. I'm quite sure that he recognizes the fact that people will ALWAYS find loopholes in the rules if they aren't clear enough (and for that matter, {DOU}Tommy would too). I'm quite sure you, as an admin from a server, will find that too.
No matter where you go, not even inside Unreal Tournament, people will find loopholes if the rules aren't clear. The example Ivor-Bigone had written down is one of these: you will almost always find a kick from an admin from the server when you leave your x-loc out, but the rules don't state it's illegal to put your x-loc out. It states it's illegal to put your x-loc out to hunt for frags or otherwise get a frag. (This <------- is open for interpretation).
Let me put it to you straight: If the rules aren't clear enough, people will complain in here about your rules and join the long list of 'well-respected-players-but-banned-on-the-DOU-server', because your rules aren't clear. Your rules should be clear from the start, and not 'Oh you didn't ask for clarification, so you'll receive a life-long ban anyway'.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I'm not appealing against or for Ivor on this matter, I'm just trying to make it clear that some of your rules needs to be re-written or re-looked at and which I try to bring to you respectfully. I think this is where it went wrong with Ivor's ban: misintpretation (although I wasn't there on the server at the time so I wouldn't know the exact situation). I hope you understand.
I don't think he's pointing fingers:NATAN wrote:Its a comon fact that everyone who get banned puts the finger on to other players not following rules instead of pointing that finger to theirself. Unfortunately you dont seem to be an exception to that rule.
and..[FuN]ivor-bigone wrote:Having been kicked twice over the few days I really saw this coming so there was no surprise to see this ban appear in your forums.
and..[FuN]ivor-bigone wrote:OK the rules were still broken but no harm was done and there was no complaints from anyone.This stopped as far as I'm concerned as the server got populated.
I think what Ivor is saying is that your rules aren't clear enough and to put it frank, I understand where he's coming from.[FuN]ivor-bigone wrote:Ive played on your server since God was a lad and never had issues like this before but I stand here and recognize I was in the wrong and take it on the chin.
A small history lesson:
I have been a Game-Director on FraggedNation for about a year from 2011 to 2012 when Ivor took it over around Aug, 2012. I'm quite sure that he recognizes the fact that people will ALWAYS find loopholes in the rules if they aren't clear enough (and for that matter, {DOU}Tommy would too). I'm quite sure you, as an admin from a server, will find that too.
No matter where you go, not even inside Unreal Tournament, people will find loopholes if the rules aren't clear. The example Ivor-Bigone had written down is one of these: you will almost always find a kick from an admin from the server when you leave your x-loc out, but the rules don't state it's illegal to put your x-loc out. It states it's illegal to put your x-loc out to hunt for frags or otherwise get a frag. (This <------- is open for interpretation).
Let me put it to you straight: If the rules aren't clear enough, people will complain in here about your rules and join the long list of 'well-respected-players-but-banned-on-the-DOU-server', because your rules aren't clear. Your rules should be clear from the start, and not 'Oh you didn't ask for clarification, so you'll receive a life-long ban anyway'.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I'm not appealing against or for Ivor on this matter, I'm just trying to make it clear that some of your rules needs to be re-written or re-looked at and which I try to bring to you respectfully. I think this is where it went wrong with Ivor's ban: misintpretation (although I wasn't there on the server at the time so I wouldn't know the exact situation). I hope you understand.