[Sticky] Ejecting DOU Members...

{DOU}The Jargonaut wrote: [quote=".::/3I§ON]Moon has been around longer than me.

Much like DM said, These peeps need to be active. I did not intend to slight anyone, just try to get everything up and running.

I also think mAmA would be a good choice.

Remember that this is just an idea. If you have suggestions, please chime in.

Also, we still need a list of offenses that are punishable by ejection.

Well, we already have when if you're caught cheating you are ejected from the clan as well as banned from our servers so we don't need to include that.

I would include behaviors such as repeated blatant disregard for DOU rules and policies, repeated malicious personal attacks againsts other members and/or guests & harming DOU's reputation in the gaming community. The group could also decide on removing inactive people from the membership who they feel no longer have an interest in DOU.

I would also like to add that I feel the 5 member panel should not be limited to ejection as the only option to deal with problem people. There should be a process where the problem member is talked to about the problem and if no resolution is forthcoming we can then suspend priveleges for a time and then, if necessary, resort to ejection as a permanent solution. The panel should have the flexibility to match any action taken to an individual issue. I don't agree with the 'one size fits all' attitude toward punishment.

just want to chime in here. You all need to consider what active is.

Like I don't play much but I would consider myself active.

So a definition of active is necessary.

active to me is no posts or log in to the forum or server for months at a time.

So hypothetically what would happen were someone to make the "Should {DOU}thefuckevernamehere be ejected from the clan" poll? Would it be brought up to the elders to have another vote or would there be grounds for majority rule?

{DOU}Charger wrote: just want to chime in here. You all need to consider what active is.

Like I don't play much but I would consider myself active.

So a definition of active is necessary.

It has been considered inactive in the past if the member has made no use of the forum, servers or anything else DOU for six months. And there would also be several attempts to contact the member to see if they still wanted to be part of the clan.

I don't think you'd have any worries there, old man

BTW, Bison has been pining away for Shortie....he misses having his ass handed to him on a regular basis. 😈

*DARKMATTER* wrote: [quote=".::/3I§ON]Moon has been around longer than me.

These folks have been in the Clan the longest and are still very active

As much as i like moon Jarg did say ACTIVE members...

Of course Dave was right. I'm not what can be called an active member and I'm not what can be called an english interlocutor 😀 😀 😀

See the date I've found that post !!! 🙂

But the idea of a clan council is the right way I think...

Evil wrote: Bison already does that, he says the robe is easy access. I heard he got banned from 3 pizza places for walking around with it flapping open... 😆

Sometimes I even turn the robe around so it open in the back...

{DOU}_Cygnus_X_1 wrote:
Yeah, heard that too.....apparently they became suspicious when he started asking the staff to bang his gavel.

You were the first so don't complain...

Moon wrote: [quote=*DARKMATTER*][quote=".::/3I§ON]Moon has been around longer than me.

These folks have been in the Clan the longest and are still very active

As much as i like moon Jarg did say ACTIVE members...

Of course Dave was right. I'm not what can be called an active member and I'm not what can be called an english interlocutor 😀 😀 😀

See the date I've found that post !!! 🙂

But the idea of a clan council is the right way I think...

Nothing wrong with your English i think most here would agree its far far better then our french well lovely might not agree 😆 😆

Back on topic. It seems that the situation is upon us now. The vote has been initiated. If the majority feel that the member should be ejected, then it goes to the Elders for final decision.

Tommy

Darkmatter

Cygnus

Bison

yOmAmA

So here is how the process will work in the future:

1. If there is a problem member, then anyone in the clan has the right to create a "Should _______ be ejected from the Clan" post in the MEMBERS ONLY area with a vote. This vote should be up for 5 -7 days. This is at the bottom of the vote post and is the responsibility of the original poster. The original poster will then list the reasons that the member should be ejected.

2. In that 5-7 days, the issues should be discussed IN THE VOTE THREAD ONLY.

3. After the vote is complete:

(a) If it is majority FOR ejection, the 5 Elders will then make the final judgment.

(b) If it is majority AGAINST ejection, all goes back to normal.

The vote will be simple majority.

Please remember that the Elders can also decide that the accused may also not be voted out, but instead issue different punishments.

Please feel free to suggest amendments, or total changes to the policy above.

Sounds like a wiener.

{DOU}The Jargonaut wrote: Back on topic. It seems that the situation is upon us now. The vote has been initiated. If the majority feel that the member should be ejected, then it goes to the Elders for final decision.

Tommy

Darkmatter

Cygnus

Bison

yOmAmA

So here is how the process will work in the future:

1. If there is a problem member, then anyone in the clan has the right to create a "Should _______ be ejected from the Clan" post in the MEMBERS ONLY area with a vote. This vote should be up for 5 -7 days. This is at the bottom of the vote post and is the responsibility of the original poster. The original poster will then list the reasons that the member should be ejected.

2. In that 5-7 days, the issues should be discussed IN THE VOTE THREAD ONLY.

3. After the vote is complete:

(a) If it is majority FOR ejection, the 5 Elders will then make the final judgment.

(b) If it is majority AGAINST ejection, all goes back to normal.

The vote will be simple majority.

Please remember that the Elders can also decide that the accused may also not be voted out, but instead issue different punishments.

Please feel free to suggest amendments, or total changes to the policy above.

Just to be clear....Are we going to start using this elder vote with the current situation concerning Lovely? Or are we just going to let the vote run a bit longer and call it done with?

I would also like to bring up a few things before we proceed with any Elder action.

First, although I do feel old at times I really don't feel like an 'Elder' at all. Could we just call it something like 'The DOU Board" or even "The DOU Council"?

Second, how should we hold a vote? With our work schedules and time zone differences it would be very difficult to do anything live. I would suggest just doing a thread in the appropiate forum. Each member would have to just state his vote in the thread since anyone would be able to vote anonymously if we use the forum's voting feature.

Third, I think anyone who serves in this group should never abstain from a decision. IMO if a matter is important enough for us to make a decision about it on behalf of the rest of DOU's membership, then we should never let a decision end up in a tie due to an abstainsion.

Fourth, I think there should be at least a couple alternates available to step in and fill shoes should a situation arise where one or more of 5 goes absent.

The first two people who come to mind are Charger and Jarg. Most of the people in DOU probably don't know Charger very well but he has been here longer than I and does keep up on things although he doesn't post or play alot anymore. Can't speak for anyone else here but I feel Jarg would definitely weigh all arguements concerning any decision and would always act in the clan's best interests.

I don't think there should be an elder council but thats not for me to decide. I say it should be with the people who were involved with the incident and its witnesses. From what I've seen Lovely has been a bit sketchy since I first played with her. That teaming with Angrydad kinda pissed me off. Another thing is when she tried to show me secret spots I didnt know, I say leave that for the practice server. The server is for playing not practicing. She is a nice girl and all, she just has some bad habbits that she can't get rid of and we don't want that. We have a reputation for being a solid clan with solid rules, we cant have somebody mucking up that. Theres a reason we have so much traffic and we hear it all the time that we have the best server. It obvious that she can't play proper, I say get rid of her and be done with it. She's had her chances before lets not give her any.

Myself, I don't see the point of a council voting a second time as a group when they have already voted as part of the clan membership. It seems redundant. Also Charger and others made good points in another thread about us ( as a group) not acting quick enough and in some cases not acting at all. Having too many steps in a process will further this. It should be fair but not take forever.

Also a small group of people making decissions may over time be resented by the membership for their positions on different issues but a vote by the membership is the will of the people and can't really ever be seen as unfair or biased.

I do agree that a "one size fits all" approach to handing out punishment is not apt to be very fair. There should be steps taken to try and help the offending member see the error of their ways with removal from the clan as the final, and supreme price.

mAmA

{DOU} yO mAmA wrote: Myself, I don't see the point of a council voting a second time as a group when they have already voted as part of the clan membership. It seems redundant. Also Charger and others made good points in another thread about us ( as a group) not acting quick enough and in some cases not acting at all. Having too many steps in a process will further this. It should be fair but not take forever.

Also a small group of people making decissions may over time be resented by the membership for their positions on different issues but a vote by the membership is the will of the people and can't really ever be seen as unfair or biased.

I do agree that a "one size fits all" approach to handing out punishment is not apt to be very fair. There should be steps taken to try and help the offending member see the error of their ways with removal from the clan as the final, and supreme price.

mAmA

I had been thinking on this as well. No offense to Jarg's idea but if the clan membership has voted on something should another vote be needed? Another vote would either be a rubberstamp or the clan membership being told a few people know better than they.

With JK and now Lovely there was discussion where anyone who cared to had their say and then the issue was voted on. This process needs streamling to establish consistant procedures and set time amounts that the discussion and vote are to be done in.

I think only an admin should call for the discussion or the vote to discipline/eject a member and only then after it has been discussed between admins via vent and/or pm's.

We also need to determine what should be done with a problem member before we even get to the point of discussing disciplining someone.

{DOU}_Cygnus_X_1 wrote: /*[quote={DOU} yO mAmA]Myself, I don't see the point of a council voting a second time as a group when they have already voted as part of the clan membership. It seems redundant. Also Charger and others made good points in another thread about us ( as a group) not acting quick enough and in some cases not acting at all. Having too many steps in a process will further this. It should be fair but not take forever.

Also a small group of people making decissions may over time be resented by the membership for their positions on different issues but a vote by the membership is the will of the people and can't really ever be seen as unfair or biased.

I do agree that a "one size fits all" approach to handing out punishment is not apt to be very fair. There should be steps taken to try and help the offending member see the error of their ways with removal from the clan as the final, and supreme price.

mAmA

I had been thinking on this as well. No offense to Jarg's idea but if the clan membership has voted on something should another vote be needed? Another vote would either be a rubberstamp or the clan membership being told a few people know better than they.

With JK and now Lovely there was discussion where anyone who cared to had their say and then the issue was voted on. This process needs streamling to establish consistant procedures and set time amounts that the discussion and vote are to be done in.

I think only an admin should call for the discussion or the vote to discipline/eject a member and only then after it has been discussed between admins via vent and/or pm's.

We also need to determine what should be done with a problem member before we even get to the point of discussing disciplining someone.

No offense taken. This is what I wanted to begin with. An open discussion by everyone about the best methods. I pitched the idea of "the elders" as one option. I am glad that this discussion is continuing. From what I understand from the above is that "the council ( 😉 Cygy) should not need to vote again as it is redundant. No problem. My idea was to make sure that no knee jerk decisions were made. With this group, I do not think that will happen. Never worry about bruising my ego. I want what is best for the clan and I am a big believer in the more voices the better.

Let's take a look at the post above:

There should be a crime/punishment type of law established for the clan. Minor infractions=less punishment. Major infractions=tougher punishments.

Only Admins can initiate a vote for ejection. All clan members will have an equal say (vote).

The vote should be timed so as not to "drag our asses" on a decision.

Looking good so far. What else does everyone think?

I like it Jarg.

I think the council of elders/ senior admins could be the ones to post member offenses and bring up a thread to initiate discipline for minor infractions such as suspension from the server for a limited time, but the membership should be the ones to decide as a group who they want around and who they don't.

mAmA