JK47 Removal Vote

So the other 40 people automatically voted to keep him in?

Sounds more like a US congressional election to me.

A removal is a little more serious than a recruitment. This removal pole was premature. Everyone needs to relax and ask your selves if the crime fits the punishment. Most members are just mad at JK for his style of play. Which is understandable. But that by no means is grounds for removal. Because we would all have been removed at some point. This decission by DM, Razor & myself was discussed with the aid of our consultent (Tommy). The voice of the clan will be heard with proper do process.

And to your earlier comment mama, no we're not kidding. The person that was most affected by this supports this decission. That being Tommy.

Otis_Firefly wrote: So the other 40 people automatically voted to keep him in?

Sounds more like a US congressional election to me.

No politics on the forum please.

Dylan wrote: [quote=Otis_Firefly]So the other 40 people automatically voted to keep him in?

Sounds more like a US congressional election to me.

No politics on the forum please.

Politics?

I'm sorry - what I wanted to say was - sounds more like Bull Shit to me. But due to the respect I have for you (Dylan), Razor, Tommy and Darkmatter I did not. For the record - I do not really care If JK stays or goes. Personally I like JK, he's been nothing but nice to me. I do cringe sometimes when I have to play with him, and I stand by the fact that I don't think he necessarily represents the clan well. But I think this whole thing has probably been a huge eye-opener for him. And I also believe that his presence will change here - for the better. Some however do not.

What I think is BS is the fact that the vote thread was put up and allowed to stay up whether it was pre-mature or not. People stated their personal views, and the vote results have been overthrown. It' the principal of passively stating that the clans views do not matter. If there are 60 members and 40 of them are not voting then those 40 really don't count - and there is another issue that should be addressed. Also I think that the inception of a recruit into the clan is very serious. Just as serious as having a member in the clan that doesn't play by or follow the clans rules.

I agree with Dylan that if breaking the rules were grounds for removal from the clan that most of us would have been removed at some point. However most of us realize when a rule has been broken and try to play with integrity. Most of us have not been continuously warned nor had vote threads developed to remove us from the clan.

I understand the call has been made and I will respect the decision and further more drop the issue from here. But I'd also like everyone to take a minute and think about what a forum is all about.

I am sorry, I thought we ran Dou as a democracy not a dictatorship. A vote was posted, With Tommy's knowledge and consent. As far as the amount of members Dylan you are way off base saying 60. The truth of the matter is there are only 20 votes. They come from the same 20 people who have voted everyone in, now they have voted someone out. These are also the same 20 people who are active clan members. Actually it's nice to see 20 people taking interest. We have always done things by a simple majority, with far fewer participating members. 75 to 5 is such a majority.

There are a couple votes going on right now. So no matter the outcome of these votes. Is it going to be up to 3 or 4 people to decide if they get in? OR is it up to the clan as a whole? I think the latter.

The clan has spoken, abide by the vote.

I would not say that Tommy was the person most affected by this, I would say he's the most important person that has been affected by this. JK is usually on his best behavior around Tommy (not so for the rest of us) but slipped up once too often.

Does the punishment fit the crime ? It's not one crime but a series of crimes. Anyway, without documentation it would be impossible to make a good case against him. I doubt that you are aware of how many times he has actually been warned and given a chance to improve since most of those warnings happened without your knowledge and for that matter the knowledge of the clan as a whole. I regret not posting threads about it now because I'd have those to point to and show just how many times he's been given a hall pass. It's his lack of respect for his fellow players that's at the heart of my problem with him.

I will stop now, I've said what I came to say. I yield to the decission that has been made, that doesn't mean I'm happy with it.

mAmA

I'm not gonna lie,

This IS TOTAL BULLSHIT.

First off, I want to say I have nothing against JK47 personally. He has been nothing but nice too me. And they way he plays never really affected me, but I know it does affect others (sort of like how OMA Yourmomma's game play doesn't affect me, I know it's wrong, but I can deal with it).

Second, I don't even know why this is being reconsidered.

With all this said I'll continue. Like others before me said, this clan does not have 60 ACTIVE people. There ARE 20 some ACTIVE people. What you are saying Dylan, is that if we are voting new recruits in that it should be automatically Declined because 40/60 "Members" didn't vote. The people who voted are the only people who are going to vote by now. The clan's voice HAS been heard, We voted NO.

JK47 isn't being kicked just because of his game play, he is being kicked for LYING and DECEIVING Clan Members just to Higher his position in the clan. Sure people do this in real life all the time with jobs and such, but when they get caught do we just let them get by? I almost positive that is a no. And he didn't just lie and deceive, he also GOT ON SOMEONE ELSE'S ACCOUNT just to try and cover up. These are Great reasons imo to kick him from the clan. And obviously they were Great reasons to other people too.

Also, this should have NOT been left up to JUST Dylan, Darkmatter, and Razor. If you were going to discuss this and make a decision you guys should have invited the WHOLE clan to talk about, yeah all 60 of us (bet not even 20 would of showed). It is not right that you guys are 'allowed' to over power the whole clans decisions.

The decision was made. JK47 was voted out thus should be kicked out.

~Shortie.

Dylan wrote: A removal is a little more serious than a recruitment. This removal pole was premature. Everyone needs to relax and ask your selves if the crime fits the punishment. Most members are just mad at JK for his style of play. Which is understandable. But that by no means is grounds for removal. Because we would all have been removed at some point. This decission by DM, Razor & myself was discussed with the aid of our consultent (Tommy). The voice of the clan will be heard with proper do process.

And to your earlier comment mama, no we're not kidding. The person that was most affected by this supports this decission. That being Tommy.

I think you need to read this whole thing again. Your own words are "The voice of the clan will be heard with proper do process.

Hmmmmm thought that was what just happened.

You don't like the out come so you decide to do what you want? That is the voice of the clan? Or is that your voice? Is that due process? I think not.

The clan voted him out. He should be out. If he is to have another chance he can re apply in three months. Go through another probation period. Then if he is on his best behavior and gets voted in so be it. The clan will have spoken. But it will be the clan not a few select people.

How many chances do you give someone? What is a reasonable number of times to tell someone

to stop mouthing off to players that just fragged you and then revenge them.

Is it ok to lie once, twice, three times? Should we need to warn someone that they would be kicked out of the clan if they

do it again? How does anyone get themselves into a situation where 20 players want him out?

Maybe the answer is that he is just not mature enough to be a part of any clan.

It may be painful to hear, but it may be necessary to hear.

Hopefully he will learn from this.

OK, so he is playing better... how much grace did we give him to correct his gameplay?

You say this is a democracy. Well in a democracy people face trial, there not set on suspention with no voice on there behalf. People, this was a lynching. I like each and every one of you and please don't take this discussion personally. But because of the recent events that appointed DM, Razor & myself in charge. We decided to handle this in a different manor. And I did say WE. No one is giving him a free pass. He will be monitored at all times. Server logs will be reviewed. And if anyone has an issue with him during this time, they need to post it.

And please, don't ever accuse me of being bias. I have lived all my life treating people fairly and giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. And also, I know there are not 60 active members.

Another note to consider, I didn't see 15 people post why they voted yes as we do in a recruitment vote. So I'm to assume most of those votes don't count, as we state in a recruitment vote.

Isn't this kid connected to someone in the clan somehow?

Dylan wrote: You say this is a democracy. Well in a democracy people face trial, there not set on suspention with no voice on there behalf. People, this was a lynching. I like each and every one of you and please don't take this discussion personally. But because of the recent events that appointed DM, Razor & myself in charge. We decided to handle this in a different manor. And I did say WE. No one is giving him a free pass. He will be monitored at all times. Server logs will be reviewed. And if anyone has an issue with him during this time, they need to post it.

And please, don't ever accuse me of being bias. I have lived all my life treating people fairly and giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. And also, I know there are not 60 active members.

Another note to consider, I didn't see 15 people post why they voted yes as we do in a recruitment vote. So I'm to assume most of those votes don't count, as we state in a recruitment vote.

He did have a chance to respond. Right here in this thread.

He actually did respond by logging onto someone else's account and proceeding to pretend to be someone else and telling yet another lie. See below.

Re: JK47 Removal Vote

Postby Tommy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:56 pm

{DOU}_Cygnus_X_1 wrote:

The One wrote:Why should he get kicked ive watch him play the game more times than ive played myself i admit he use to run he ad mits that to but withen the last 3 months he hasn't ran or assalted at all or break any rules so i dont know y he is getting in trouble for stuff that never happened..... he didnt type to pyro that was his stupid friend mohhammad from school he goes over his house often and watches him play the game a lot he knows all the stuff about the game to and ventrilo when JK said he will brb his x-friend went on and did that because he knew JK wanted to be an admin because he was over when he talked to tommy about it JK wasnt the one to type it i saw his friend mohamed do it I couldnt stop him in time i was playing the Wii I told JK wat happened but his friend denied it and JK didnt think he did it but then when he got kicked off vent he saw that it said he was banned for 2 weeks i was there when it happened he was so pissed because he didnt know why but then he realized wat his friend did they arent friends anymore they dont even talk and he says he is sorry for wat happend and watever he did in the past he just wants to know if u guys will forgive him and give him another chance he is really sorry and depressed about wat happened Plz accept his appology that is all i have to say just think about it plz. 🙁

Within the last 3 months he hasn't run or assaulted at all? Don't know who you were watching but it wasn't JK.

I very much doubt it was someone else who was trying to get JK into trouble. That dodge has been tried more than a few times. I'm not buying.

That isn't The One posting, That is JK using The Ones account. Several people also received PM's from "The One" but then I later found out from the One that it wasn't him.

A further example of the dishonesty that got him into this mess.

Tommy

AS I SAID i THINK YOU NEED TO REREAD THIS THREAD.

Darkmatter, Dylan and Razor have been charged by Tommy to care for this clan in his absence. As far as I'm concerned, what they decide is final.

That being said, it doesn't mean I agree with the decision.

Dylan said 20 members out of 60 voting isn't a fair representation to remove JK. By that very same logic we would have to kick everybody out of the clan because it would also void every membership vote we've had.

We've been told this is OUR clan time and again. If the majority of those who voted are overruled that becomes a lie.

And as for explaining our votes?

It's all been said already. Everybody knows what JK's been pulling...and 16 out of 22 agree. That's no lynching, that's dealing with the facts.

Well i guess i was wrong to give a kid a second chance this being a big kick up the ass for him and not just the usual rant he got in ventrillo but as has been said the CLAN has spoken so i guess he needs to be kicked out.......

Cygnus please revoke his access to a standard user thank you......