5) No Spawnkilling - Everyone has 7 seconds of spawn protection comming in to the game, use it to find a place to hide.
a) DO NOT use spawn time to sneak up behind/beside someone
b) DO NOT shoot at someone while YOU are spawning, you will die.
c) DO NOT shoot at someone else who is spawning, you will die
d) If you are spawning and you enter an occupied area/spot YOU are reponsible to leave and find another spot, NO exceptions
e) If someone who is spawning enters an area you are in THEY must leave. LET THEM! Do not chase after them for an easy frag, let them go.
I've been seeing sometimes that when a player who is done spawning will enter an occupied area and get themselves fragged. Then a comment will be made such as, "I was leaving!" or similar implying he should have been let go. Please, please do not complain when this happens because it is perfectly legal. A player only has to let you go if you were still spawning when you entered the area. You have 7 seconds of spawn protection...after that you're fair game.
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Perfectly legal, but not exactly good sportsmanship. I am of the OPINION that it is bad taste if someone comes up to your position and shoots you out of it whether spawning or not. Technically, non-spawning people that do this are guilty of assault. If you shoot someone in the back while they are running away and the spawn period time expires, then that is being a douche.
It may be legal, but that does not make it right.
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A player only has to let you go if you were still spawning when you entered the area. You have 7 seconds of spawn protection...after that you're fair game.
Again, in my OPINION, this will invite assaults cause it will piss off the player that is trying to leave.
Oh, and if someone runs up on me while they are spawning, I jump several times to let them know that I will not shoot them in the back. No offense, but if someone does that to me in a game (I am spawning and run in on another player that I did not know was there and they shoot me after the spawn is over while I am running away) then I think I have every right to say something about it.
Sorry, but I disagree with this one. I will not kick players for doing it, but I won't respect players that do it.
"Technically, non-spawning people that do this are guilty of assault."
Actually it is only assault if the intruding player KNOWS the place he is entering is occupied.
"If you shoot someone in the back while they are running away and the spawn period time expires, then that is being a douche."
I agree but only if they are running away from you. If I see someone running accross the map and their spawn runs out, it is their fault for not finding cover within the limits of their protection. If I know they're leaving an occupied spot I'll give them a pass.
"Oh, and if someone runs up on me while they are spawning, I jump several times to let them know that I will not shoot them in the back. No offense, but if someone does that to me in a game (I am spawning and run in on another player that I did not know was there and they shoot me after the spawn is over while I am running away) then I think I have every right to say something about it."
I'm not talking about a spawn situation. I'm talking about a player entering an occupied area when not under spawn protection.
After reading the rebuttal, I still stand by my opinion. This gets me thinking that the no close kill mod is a good way to alleviate the situation entirely (or mostly).
that blue color hurts my head when I try to read it 😥
Yes I agree with Jarg, mocking people that would have left instead of assaulting is promoting close kills. I let people that enter my area leave all the time, and expect the ones that are actually campers and not fuckwads to do so. A lot do. If I run into a spot and it's occupied I run back out, I don't shoot them in the face and take it. We're not fucking OMA here... I do bitch when someone comes into my spot and shoots me in the face. They can leave and snipe me rather than shoot me point blank. If we tell them "oh disregard that guy complaining you just shot him in the face" then they will figure close kills and assaults are all good. As Jarg said, leaving and letting people leave is better sportsmanship when the idea is sniping from a distance. Sure some complain about getting shot after spawning as they are running across the map. Those should have stopped at a spot rather than looking for their favorite. I just don't want to discourage good sportsmanship.
Installing noclosekill on the server would solve some of this though...
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I agree...
with Abberation... 
Let me repeat:
It is NOT assault when a player enters an occupied area unless he knows someone is there.
As for myself, whenever possible I try enter a known spot by stealth instead of just rushing in. If I see someone there I just back away to out of sound and sight, turn around and head elsewhere.
If somebody comes into my spot they get shot unless they immediately show me their back. I'm not going to guess if they're going to shoot or not if they do anything else. This jumping to let someone know you're not going to shoot may be o.k. most of the time but if you're behind low cover you give yourself away. So I don't bother with it at all.
If somebody comes into my spot and does anything else other than immediately turning around to leave I open up. If they get fragged and don't like it, TFB...suck it up. If they come back on me they'll be waiting for the next map.
Now, if I get blindsided in my spot by somebody coming in I get pissed. Not at the person who did it but at myself for not playing smarter.
I have to agree with jarg and the others on this one up to the last time i played on the server ( i know i dont now win 7 ) there Werner a few regulars that were getting into the habit of being curtious and letting you go or leaving an occupied spot i found this greatly increased the pleasure of playing i think it is better encouraged then saying hey its not against the rules so suck it up ...
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It is NOT assault when a player enters an occupied area unless he knows someone is there.
How can you be sure if they knew someone was there or not?
When admining with 15 people on the server, if I let one do it because I THINK he did not know the person was there, and kick another because I THINK he did, it would appear that I am showing favoritism.
IMO, this is an all or nothing scenario. Either we make assaulting legal in all cases or we make it illegal in all cases. Otherwise, we are asking for problems.
{DOU}The Jargonaut wrote:
It is NOT assault when a player enters an occupied area unless he knows someone is there.
How can you be sure if they knew someone was there or not?
When admining with 15 people on the server, if I let one do it because I THINK he did not know the person was there, and kick another because I THINK he did, it would appear that I am showing favoritism.
IMO, this is an all or nothing scenario. Either we make assaulting legal in all cases or we make it illegal in all cases. Otherwise, we are asking for problems.
If they come charging or running or transing in or sometimes even dropping down from a spot above I would call it assault. If they come "duck walking" or crouched in I would not.
If they come "duck walking" or crouched in I would not.
Some would duck walk to avoid being heard by the one in position. This is technically hunting, not camping.
So you are saying that if I hear someone shoot a level below me, it is okay to duck walk down the steps to kill them, but if I run down the steps, it is against the rules?
Is no hunting in our rules? I don't see it anywhere.
And besides, you don't have to be "hunting" you could be looking for a spot
".::/3I§ON wrote: Is no hunting in our rules? I don't see it anywhere.
And besides, you don't have to be "hunting" you could be looking for a spot
The point I am trying to make is where do we draw the line? If hunting is acceptable, then so is assaulting. You can not have it both ways. If you are looking for a spot and kill someone you come up on, is that acceptable? If so, then we can't have a no assault rule. We can only have a no close range revenge rule.
The reason that I am making this an issue is that we HAVE to police the server consistently between one another. If I interpret the rules differently than you do, I will police differently than you. This is not fair to our guest or our members. ALL admins should be completely uniform in their decisions.
💡 Well in that case I bet we could go through the whole set of rules and tear them apart.
I would also associate assault with r&g not hunting.
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