{DOU} yO mAmA wrote: Personally, I think we should wait longer before asking people to join the clan for this very reason.
We have had several that disappear shortly after applying to join. Some disappear in the middle of their recruit period. Still others fade away right after getting their tag. Seems like a lot of work for us all to do for nothing.
I think we should wait at least 60 days after someone starts hanging around before we ask them to join for the following reasons ...
a) We don't seem desparate
b) We see they have more than a passing interest in the game and us
c) We find out if they are psychotic before asking them to join (as opposed to after)
d) We don't waste so much time following their activities on the forum and the server only to have them disappear
mAmA
ditto
I don't think we should wait 60 days before recruiting. The 90 days recruitment period works just fine, like it is suposed to be. FatalPing won't make it to a full member this way. We just cant afort to miss recruits that could be real good members. Waiting to long before recruiting them is a luxury we cant permit ourselves if we want to keep the clan alive. Failing to have new members is the number one reason why some good clans disapeared lately. The 90days recruitment period works just fine as it is. It proofs itself over and over again.
I would be curious to see statictics to verify that NATAN. It seems to me we have a pretty high failure rate.
60 days may be too long but whatever the time frame we are using to gauge peoples interest in joining us it appears it isn't long enough.
Getting members doesnt mean we have recruited good members. As I've said there are many that disappear during their recruit period and others right after getting their tag.
What good does it do us to get members that are here for 90 days and then never come back?
From what I've seen quite a few of our recruits are barely active and some that are passing the vote are not really doing what is required of them.
What will keep our clan alive is members that play, stay, and remain active.
mAmA
Well put Mama.
Seems that in our recent need to bring in as many new members as we can were have just went the way of "quantity over quality"
Yes were are more of a social club but it still bothers me that we bring in people who don't really seem to care either way about the DOU name. We don't play in any tournaments anymore so it makes sense that we have the time to see if people will stick around.
The ‘problem’ here as I see it is as follows. We do have a lot of recruits lately, so the ones that fail are also higher in numbers. My point is that we have a 90days recruitment period and with 60days before geting recruited it would be a 150days. We will sort out the ones that will give up easily for sure, but we will also lose some of the ones that we’re just looking for. There are always other clans on the lure.
If we bring people in as recruit, who arent good after all, they wont make it to the member status. If they do make it it’s because we ourselves voted them in. There are also still the recruitment submission forms that we discuss before we alow players to become a recruit. Waiting 60 days in front will not make any difference at all. We’ve had guestplayers as recruits that came around for years before we recruited them. SunlightOnChrome and Tanequil come up in my mind and I’m sure there are more examples. No satisfaction guranteed at all times.
As for the statistics. They are kept pretty good on record lately, so its easy to Judge for everyone in person themself. If I review the list of the recruiment year 2011, which I started in May of that year, I see we’ve had 13 recruits. Four of them didn’t make it as members. Two dont seem to come around no more on a regular base. I don’t think those are real bad statistics.
Reviewing this years recruitment year 2012, I see we have 18 recruits so far. Just one didn’t make it to the full member status. Six are voted in as members and only one lacks activity at the moment.
Eleven recruits are still in their recruitment period. It’s up to ourselves to Judge if they are good enough to get voted in or not. Every now and then we have some sort of discussion about the recruitment period, but I still think it works fine as the way it is. If we would set a 60days period before recruiting I would rather see the recruitment period as a whole getting extended, so at least we have them in before we can loose them to other clans.
My conclusion: leave it as it is or extend the recruitment period itself with another 60days.
NATAN wrote: We’ve had guestplayers as recruits that came around for years before we recruited them. SunlightOnChrome and Tanequil come up in my mind and I’m sure there are more examples. No satisfaction guranteed at all times.
Good point there NATAN.
Well, If we are going to sort things out in the recruitment period then I do think we shouldn't relax our standards so much. This is up to the voting membership.
I ask all of you to ask yourselves if a new recruit is only making half an effort to join do they really care if they become DOU or not? And if they don't really care what kind of a member will they make? How long will they be around?
We have never recruited based on skill level but I believe we should recruit based on interest level.
mAmA
No, but we went through this b4 and agreed they needed to be on for so many hrs b4 they were asked or accepted as a recruit. Then someone decided to throw that all out the window because of the extened recruitment period.
If some one comes on the server and sucks a worms ass for a couple of maps, thats not cause in my book to let them join.
No matter how much time they spent on the server before they are recruited. It all comes down to the point when the active members are going to vote someone in or not. We need to ask ourselves just one question: is this recruit going to be DOU material in the future or is it just someone who’s ‘Tag happy’. Earlier we had a 20 hours minimum before we recruited them. That’s fine with me.
There seems to be a disconnect between applicants/recruits, and some of the longer term members.
Please understand, I mean no disrespect by this...but it seems to me that members like Bison, mAmA, Abberation, Evil, etc post frequently on the forum, but are seen very infrequently on the server or in TS. On the other hand, it appears that newer members/recruits like Balrog, Shay, The Wife, etc are on the server more frequently, and occasionally on TS, but post on the forum much less frequently. It makes sense that we have a number of members that abstain on voting in new members...because they rarely meet!
I know that life happens, we all get busy, we don't like TS, I'm self-conscious of my accent, blah, blah, blah. I get it. I also know that some of you guys get together on other games like COD or BG. I get that, too. But the majority (if not all) of our recruits come from UT99. I don't know the fix, but I think things would be better all around if we could ALL come to a happy medium of posting, playing, and speaking on TS with each other - and maybe if new recruits can't manage to post, play, and speak with us in 90 days, they just don't need to be members. But I think some members need to adjust the time they spend in one area - whether it be posting, playing, or speaking - and try to spread it out more evenly. I'm sure everyone will benefit from your expertise.
I include myself in this as well. I play a lot. I post a lot. I'm not on TS3 very much; not lately anyway. I can improve on that, and I intend to.
This is just my humble opinion. Take it or leave it. Again, I meant no disrespect to anyone.
Take care,
".::/3I§ON wrote: No, but we went through this b4 and agreed they needed to be on for so many hrs b4 they were asked or accepted as a recruit. Then someone decided to throw that all out the window because of the extened recruitment period.
If some one comes on the server and sucks a worms ass for a couple of maps, thats not cause in my book to let them join.
I personally dont think 20 hrs is long enough. They play for an hr a day, big deal, they been on the server for 20 days. Maybe they just loaded the game and its what they like now. 30 days from then they may be playing something more up to date. UT was the "Flavor of the Day" at the time, now its old news to them. Everyone is so gung ho about getting a recruit or two just so they think they can put their big pants on and say they are doing something in the clan.
".::/3I§ON wrote: Everyone is so gung ho about getting a recruit or two just so they think they can put their big pants on and say they are doing something in the clan.
I'm not sure how an active member wanting to have a recruit - and potentially expanding and improving the clan - is a bad thing...
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I just wish that every employer out there did as we do....Every applicant gets a chance. Basically what I am saying is that we do not have to grant recruitment just solely on the basis that if someone fills out an app the get a try.
I see no problem in waiting a while instead of just throwing every applicant into the recruitment program.
M@DD0G wrote: [quote=".::/3I§ON]Everyone is so gung ho about getting a recruit or two just so they think they can put their big pants on and say they are doing something in the clan.
I'm not sure how an active member wanting to have a recruit - and potentially expanding and improving the clan - is a bad thing...
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An active member wanting to have a recruit isn't a bad thing at all and it is very much apreciated by the clan members. Grumpy is just stating his own point of view and ofcourse he's alowed to do so...
What /3ison is trying to say is that having a recruit isn't a status symbol, but needs a very hard hand in learning the way of the clan sometimes. That way we will be sure recruits know what is going to be expected from them during their recruitment period and also after the procedure when they have become full members.
M@DD0G wrote: There seems to be a disconnect between applicants/recruits, and some of the longer term members.
Please understand, I mean no disrespect by this...but it seems to me that members like Bison, mAmA, Abberation, Evil, etc post frequently on the forum, but are seen very infrequently on the server or in TS. On the other hand, it appears that newer members/recruits like Balrog, Shay, The Wife, etc are on the server more frequently, and occasionally on TS, but post on the forum much less frequently. It makes sense that we have a number of members that abstain on voting in new members...because they rarely meet!
I know that life happens, we all get busy, we don't like TS, I'm self-conscious of my accent, blah, blah, blah. I get it. I also know that some of you guys get together on other games like COD or BG. I get that, too. But the majority (if not all) of our recruits come from UT99. I don't know the fix, but I think things would be better all around if we could ALL come to a happy medium of posting, playing, and speaking on TS with each other - and maybe if new recruits can't manage to post, play, and speak with us in 90 days, they just don't need to be members. But I think some members need to adjust the time they spend in one area - whether it be posting, playing, or speaking - and try to spread it out more evenly. I'm sure everyone will benefit from your expertise.
I include myself in this as well. I play a lot. I post a lot. I'm not on TS3 very much; not lately anyway. I can improve on that, and I intend to.
This is just my humble opinion. Take it or leave it. Again, I meant no disrespect to anyone.
Take care,
MADDOG,
When we reference recruits spending time on the server, posting on the forum, and being in TS it is so the membership, like yourself, can get to know the recruit to see if they are someone you would like to have as a fellow member. This helps weed out those that are half hearted about joining or mentally unstable.
There are no requirements after you have been given membership. You don't have to go to TS if you don't want to. I haven't been around in quite a while as a player or an admin (work 24/7) but do keep up with things that are going on in the clan through the forum.
mAmA
I typed this in my other post:
60 days, 30 days, 2 weeks or less?
Each of these periods above can be good. It depends only on who is a potential recruit? Who took the initiative to join the clan - he/she or we?
If is he/she well known person, we can shorten the waiting period, especially when he/she is active on the forum or TS.
But if that person is just starting to play on our server, we should watch him/her for some time.
In both cases we need to recognize the real intents, which induce him/her to join the clan. Maybe he/she does not know why?
We don't forget, that our clan is not a shooting club.
Many nice people play often on the server and they are not interested in joining the clan (e.g. timmo, Dr. Boom et al.).
You remember those cases: Tanequil aka Yulian - good camper, SOC - nice camper and some more, but I don't want to list them.
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