ban policy proposal

Your Ban proposal for the players who don't seem to communicate with us in any way sounds good to me.

I think we should make a list of the players who qualify (you like making lists don't you? )

Fair enough R_Mad, though I would like to know what Balony has done lately to be included in your topic. I have never had any issue with Balony since I have joined DOU or even before hand.

To me a Ban should be for anyone who play's on the server. Also I would like to add that my thoughts on the 30 day ban is that it is too soft to deter most who play.

Grasshopper.

Please comment just on the policy and not change the subject. (About Balony I sent a PM to you Grass)

On the other hand, Balony is a very good example about I said in the first paragraph, he generated lot of opinions and discusions, and he is still among us...

Others like Bostero are unnecesary people among us...

I think I understand what you're driving towards: you're looking for the mechanism to ban players for 30 days automatically instead of voting on it everytime depending on the player and/or violation. I would submit to you R-Mad that not everyone would agree on which players are "reachable and can be rehabilitated" and which players can't be. This will cause havoc as different DOU members will have different opinions of the same guest.

However, I do like your idea of the "automatic ban". Maybe, in an effort to streamline the banning process, we implement a "3 strike rule"....after being kicked 3 times in a 30-day period, an automatic 30-day ban is set. If this is a possibility, I would recommend that each strike is called for ANY infraction of our rules whether it's political antagonizing, assaulting, etc. This would keep things simpler in that players like Geom wouldn't be kicked 7 times (or whatever) before a Vote to Ban 30 Days poll is taken. It would be automatic.

Thoughts?

Yes, that is the idea. 😀

I believe that several of this "illiterate" guys who does not can read the warnings, "mute" guys who can not give an answer, guys who "do not understand english", and all kind of these "special" guys are making fun of us.

So I believe we do not need waste our time with them.

Probably we will have differents opinions about some players, but on the other hand there are players, which our opinion will be unanimous. In this last case my recommendation is give simply a quick and definitive ban.

R_Mad wrote:
In this last case my recommendation is give simply a quick and definitive ban.

Well I don't know about a direct definitive ban. First a 30 days ban would be fine. Then if the suckers still don't get it ban them definitive.

3 reactions so far... who's next !

I believe there is a misunderstanding about the 30 day ban.

Once a player has received a 30 day ban if they are seen on the server, regardless of the nick they are using, the ban becomes permanent unless they plead their case on the forum and the clan decides to give them another chance.

Also, at the end of a 30 day ban a player must come to the forum and plead their case to be allowed back on the server. If they do not come to the forum to ask to be allowed back the ban becomes permanent unless the clan decides to give them another chance.

In most cases a 30 day ban has become a permanent ban.

We usually wait to see if the player changes their behavior on the server after a fair amount of warnings. Once it's been put to a vote they are banned by the next admin to see them.

mAmA

Thanks for the clarification mAmA.

I agree with Mama. There is no need to change anything. Once they get the 30 day ban if they make no attempt to rectify their actions then its no skin off our backs.

Lol... I need a better english teacher to express my ideas... 😀

I know and understand the existing rule of the 30 day ban.

The problem is that in the case of "special guys" I referred , those affected do not know that they have been banned, much less going to come to the forum to defend his cause...

So for us all is a lost of time...

The existing rule is very useful, as I admitted in my post, to those in which we can communicate...

I did not ask to eliminate this rule...or to do any change in it 😀

Good points Abb and Mama but I think R-Mad's point is lost in translation.

I think what she's suggesting is that she wants the ban to be automatic for those players that are placed in one bucket that we feel that they can not be rehabitilited - ie-Bostero, Mimetic, etc. Assumably then a different system is in place for those we think that can be.

I dont agree with that personally - too much grey area with different thoughts from members on the same player in question.

I think the 3 strikes (kicked off a map = 1 strike) should go for every player to get to a 30 day ban no matter the infraction. Once imposed, they are to follow the normal rules with regards to banning.

Mama and Abb - RMad and I are proposing different methodologies about the mechanism for getting to the ban, not the actual ban itself - sounds like she doesnt have a problem with that - I dont either.

R mad do you mean the players that do not communicate in game or on server and we can be sure wont come to the forum, that we just ban them without the 30 day warning ??

*DARKMATTER* wrote: R mad do you mean the players that do not communicate in game or on server and we can be sure wont come to the forum, that we just ban them without the 30 day warning ??

yes.... you summarized it very well... thx 😀 😀

Its the same thing. If they cant communicate in game they wont bother to come to the forum. So its not a hassle either way. They wont be automaticaly be unbanned in 30 days unless they plead their case so how is it any bother to anyone?

There should be no special circumstances. Once the clan has voted to ban a person they are gone for good unless they can convey that they are going to make a change.