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This can't really be called run and gun (but this can happen along the way) BUT THIS ABSOLUTELY CAN'T BE CALLED CAMPING AND SNIPING !!! so for me it's a no no. 👿

It dont sound like camping to me either

I have used that to get an item close to me but ussually guarded, Jump boots, health, shield, It allows you to grab and get back to camping but to use it as way to go on an excursion is wrong.

Hmm. Is it R&G or Freestyle? Not really. Freestylers need their trans to quickly get from one place to another and use it as a weapon and as defense.

Is it consistent with camping? Not really. Camping means getting to your spot and defending it while attacking other spots.

Now, If I were to drop my trans say, in a plant and if discovered or attacked used it to get out of the spot that I am in, then I say fair play. If I use it to go assault another person and immediately trans back to my former location, then nope. Assault is assault. If I drop it to get a pickup and return to my former location... Hmm. As long as the move was not extreme, then I don't have a problem with it. I guess that the player must drop and leave a trans (which can be shot), and go to get the pickup. If they duckwalk to it and it is not far away, then they are also exposing themselves to fire. If they run, jump and get all crazy to pick it up, then it should not be allowed.

All in all, it is a gray area. If you allow one method (duckwalking), it may dissolve into the other. Therefore, It seems to me that it should not be allowed. I would not be too strict about this though unless the player is violating another rule i.e. r&g or assaulting. Here the rules are clear.

Just my .02

If the trans is being dropped and the player ONLY goes for a pick-up, that's one thing.

What is concerning me is I have seen people assault other players on their way to get that item.

A good example is in massive bedroom. Someone in the computer desk has jump boots, drops the trans and goes for the deemer in the waste basket. There is a spawn point near the basket and a player is camping between the basket and the wall, looking out into the room. The player going for the deemer drops to the floor, runs around the end of the desk, sees the camped player, crouches, shoots the camped player in the back, jumps into the waste basket, gets the deemer and then trans' back to his hiding spot.

I don't consider that fair play when it amounts to a potential assault in order to get what you want. To me, it would be the same as assaulting a player for their spot.

I think dropping a disc to return to a spot is not the issue here. I don't see a problem with using it to return to saftey. You do run the risk of someone finding it and shooting it for an easy frag.

I think the problem here is what is being done after the disc is dropped.

I have left a disc many times myself as a saftey line. It does not entitle me to run around and assault people, anymore than picking up a shield belt does. We do permit a level of hunting provided it's not a constant and the player is duckwalking.

Like with anything else, if we feel a player is abusing the rules we call them on it. I don't think "Disc dropping" should be outlawed.

mAmA

I agree with yomama. In your exampls, the guy was just plain R&G anyway since he ran out there and shot someone. Nothing pisses me off more than hearing footsteps right before I get shot in the back.

I see nothing wrong with leaving the trans somewhere and dropping down to grab a health or something. For instance on some maps where you are on a ledge and there is another ledge that runs the other way below you, you might leave the trans there and drop to the other ledge to get a different view, then pop back when done scanning/shooting targets. Like the bathroom ledge in flat reverse, I leave my trans on top and drop into the shelf to get a view of the bed, then trans back. I could just drop down and trans back but it takes longer. Now if someone was there on the shelf I wouldn't do that because it would be assaulting them. I'd lean out and shoot them first, because they are going to be trying to get up into that hole for the ledge anyway.

{DOU}ME wrote: It dont sound like camping to me either

I'm ok with that kind of outgoing only if you go crouching ! I myself only move to find a spot after being killed or to go for ammos... crouching !!! (some servers give 100 bullets !)

We must not forget we talk about a 'sniping and camping server'. Look at any sniper in any movie (almost real life 😀 😀 ), he never moves !!!... even crouching. He holds a spot ant that's it !

Of course if no one is braking the rules (noobs or bots) you can't kill anyone. But rules are rules.

If someone don't crouch while moving, he doesn't stick to camping rules (in all the sniping and camping servers I played)

As I use to say : everybody is able to play and make frags if he doesn't respect the rules. I said everybody !!! So then, there are fair players that play by the rules and the others. Question, are what I call 'others' specially allowed by some divine instance to bring trouble and waiste a game ? What makes a special people of him ?

For me, when someone doesn't respact the rules I consider he's a cheater. 😈 😈 😈 He cheats with the rules of the server.

No need of a special prog or mod to act like a cheater...

My opinion.

Some of these players come to our server from freestyle and need to be reminded where they are. They tend to camp and run at the same time. I have witnessed this alot.

They just need a couple warnings then a kick and they are fine.

Another solution is to get rid of the deemers. he he

I know Tommy is for that! Especially on Shrapnel Bay.

I am working on a couple of rule changes to be voted on having to do with this subject.

The first one is done. The link is:

http://clandou.com/html/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4635

The second one should be ready soon.