SS Guys

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mAmA

R_Mad wrote:
This clan is a nice place to have fun, but in my opinion has a big problem : the excesive time taken to solve the behaviour problems...

This I agree with. We do need to figure something out.

R_Mad wrote:
1) Excesive complacensy with the troublemakers. (the non latin troublemakers)

No. I see this as nothing more than bad timing. When I was dealing with the GEOF guys I had a lot more time and energy. Now I have less time and a lot less energy. To be honest, at times I am just sick and tired of hearing it. I know there are problems that need to be dealt with but I am lazy about getting around to it. This has nothing to do with a persons origin. About now I would rather have the GEOF guys around instead of the SS guys.

R_Mad wrote:
You need understand as well that the best comprehension of the english of some of them does not change their mind (usually I felt offended by simple things and thanks to mAmA's assistance, I am learning to understand better).

Yes, the language barrier definitely causes problems. Unfortunately, until we are a planet with one voice (language) this will always be a problem and is just a part of life.

R_Mad wrote: With the exceptions of canadians (probably a problem with the cold weather), the majority of the troublemakers are latin people (geof guys, the mexicans, the romanian djhardbpm, and probably the ss guys too)

The SS guys are typical Americans. I am not holding anything back because of that. Actually I dislike them more. They fully understand our rules but don't care.

R_Mad wrote:
I could post some suggestions, but only if some of the administrators are interested in it.

I am always open to suggestions. You are a full member and have as much a say as anyone else.

T

Otis_Firefly wrote: But thats just me. Whaddya think?

Fucking with them, that I like. But the part about causing personal harm would make us worse people than they are. But, again, fucking with them is something I would be cool with.

T

{DOU}The Jargonaut wrote: If we move or delete the post, they will just use it against us. This one is more difficult to deal with. How do we ban them if they can keep getting around it?

Is there a different kind of protection out there that will work? [PURE]?

If not, then what are the options? Letting them eventually drive away all of the traffic?

Sorry. Babbling on here.

Far as I can tell Pure does nothing but make gameplay less fun like on the ZSZ server. SS admitted he can get around pure.

I think Tommy may have taken care of him and memetic tonight though *crosses fingers*

*DARKMATTER* wrote: You may not like this or want to hear it but one of lovely's comments was when i go who will be next and now we have the answer, not that she didn't bring a lot if not most of what happened to her on herself, also there must be someone in DOU handing out inside info for them to know all they do!!!!.....

This is an excerpt from James' (assuming it isn't Mimetic, he is using a proxy) post on another thread:

ROFL wrote:
#3 It is well known Certain DOU members, High ranking members I might add have been caught and most likey still use a Cheat which Disables Shadow rendering in ut. For those of you that do not fully understand or grasp what this Cheats does, it basically transforms dark maps or any darkness in a map into 100% light. So basically you can't really hide, and on dark maps you can forget about it. Your TOAST.

Unless I've missed something, this hasn't come up in awhile. So I became suspicious of this in light of a recent pm sent to me by Lovely. Here is an excerpt from that pm:

{DOU}_Cygnus_X_1 wrote: I don't think you understand how serious of a thing it is you did. Most people have a large amount of pride in how they play this game. What you've done is considered a personal attack, like slander upon their names. And what is as bad as that is that it gives DOU a bad name. There are people who talk bad about us because of the way you treated them.

[quote=Lovely35]
DOU have a bad name because of the no shadow mod. For being because of me, I did complaint about some players but I never did use the no shadow mod and about the proofs that all that is because of Mimetic and Gestapo, do you want it? I still have it I can send it to you. All they do in other clan's vent and TS is badmouthing about me. No wonder!!!! If it was only my fault I would accept it and say it and do some apology. I am defending myself because I know I did not do all those things that I am accused of. By the way on the forum, LOL88 is Gestapo. He keeps coming on and does try to provoque me in pm's.

Lovely's pm was sent around 1:30 am (Central) on the the 10th. James made his post about 6-1/2 hours later. Also take note that Lovely mentions at the bottom Gestapo was making pm's to her.

Since James used a proxy to sign up on the forum we don't really know if it is James, Mimetic or could even be Gestapo using two accounts in an attempt to mess with us.

We know all 3 of these assholes are buddies so if (and I mean IF) Lovely responded to any of those pm's she mentioned who knows what was discussed?

It could be a coincidence or there may be something to it. IMO I don't think it's that far of a leap but others here may think differently.

What to do about these turds?

Flush 'em. I agree with Charger. Kick and erase. Boot their asses off of the server should they find their way back. I think all admins should have access to the Remote Server Admin so suspect player's IPs can be checked and if it is or close to their location (this can be determined by running the IP through a locator) boot their asses without warning or delay.

Lock any account they have or may start on the forum and delete all their posts.

I know this may look suspicious to some guests but IMO there will be no way to please everyone no matter what we do. We might lose a few noobs who don't know what lying, manipulative troublemakers they are but anyone who knows them or us won't miss them. Anyone who believes them we don't need want around here anyway.

Otis you devious basterd!

I like the idea of fucking with them too. Might I suggest if you can gain their trust that you feel them out on our non-aryan president. Maybe they might have threats or other incriminating evidence that could be forwarded anonymously to the FBI. That would be the ultimate fuck-over! I think the best type of revenge is to let someone else do it and sit back and enjoy the show.

R_Mad wrote: Obviously we need some strategy against them...

The problem is I do not know who can propose this and to be enough respected to be followed...

This clan is a nice place to have fun, but in my opinion has a big problem : the excesive time taken to solve the behaviour problems...

Actually I observe two things about that:

1) Excesive complacensy with the troublemakers. (the non latin troublemakers) For me that sounds like complacency with the enemy... a inadmisible thing... (sorry if this sounds a little military...)

2) Uncomprehension about latin people. There are lots of latin people playing in the different servers, some of them does not speak english or understands it only a little. Not all are potential troublemakers.

The practical, transparent, honest, and direct form to see the things of the anglo-sajon are ununderstandable for them (usually by educational and social reasons). so, frequently they feel attacked (wrongly obviously) by simple and neutral phrases or common words, and they act reactively.

You need understand as well that the best comprehension of the english of some of them does not change their mind (usually I felt offended by simple things and thanks to mAmA's assistance, I am learning to understand better).

With the exceptions of canadians (probably a problem with the cold weather), the majority of the troublemakers are latin people (geof guys, the mexicans, the romanian djhardbpm, and probably the ss guys too)

I could post some suggestions, but only if some of the administrators are interested in it.

Remember, perfection is the main enemy of the good things....

The problem we had with the GEOF clan was just run run run. It was obvious. Their was not any miss communication, they knew not to run.

With the SS boys and others, it is their voicing of politics and race. And it is diffictult to know without a doubt that they are running cheats.

Our cheat detection is out dated.

I have to wait for them to say something before I can kick them.

For these reasons it makes it look like we are giving them more lenience.

The Latin players didn't change ips like these guys do.

We cant keep them away.

Agreed, they will come in the server and lay low for a while to escape notice then the familiar dialogue starts and you know it's them. Very difficult to kick them when they keep comming back under a new alias with a new IP, expecially for those of us that are not able, or don't know how to check IP's.

If we kicked every player with a funny name we'd have an empty server.

mAmA

Tommy wrote: Now I have less time and a lot less energy. To be honest, at times I am just sick and tired of hearing it.

So why not appoint someone else to take care of this shit instead of making the clan as a whole deal with it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over?

From what I've seen so far you/we give everyone else the benefit of the doubt yet forcing the clan members to suffer through it until you or someone else is ready to deal with it.

Just Lovely should've been dealt with several months ago. I'm not even gonna get started on Memetic, SS, and all the other fuck-tards that we hold on to so dearly like a coveted selection of our favorite turds.

Horrible management IMO.

What about DM ?

He's around, certainly trustworthy. I imagine he has the necessary skill set too.

mAmA

We have to keep in mind that this is the work of 2 players, memetic and Gestapo.

I am not sure James is even an issue except on the forum. If he is an issue then it is just 3 players that we need to dispose of.

These 3 were around before, during and after Lovely. It is not like they suddenly appeared after Lovely left.

We are blowing it out of proportion. The last few nights have been a lot of fun again.

Lovely is playing as Sam and behaving , so far. Fortunatley the SS boys dont know who Sam is.

Believe it or not, I understand perfectly the difference between to run in the server and to say idiots nazi phrases in ventrilo... stop with that crap 😮

that's not the point, and please stop crying about the behaviour of these idiots... 😮

The question is what is the strategy against these rustic neanderthals?

Any interesting idea?

If their IP's are from the south of the US, that implyes they are not latin people?

Are you informed that in the south of the US are living some few latin people? :tumbleweed:

Please think about this:

first: In Latin America (Chile, Argentina, Brasil, Mexico, Colombia, etc) and, yes in the US as well, had became fashionable to be a NAZI... there are lots fo new nazi movements, all young but stupid people...

second: On the other hand,.... (to be continue) I need to see my kids....

R_Mad wrote: Believe it or not, I understand perfectly the difference between to run in the server and to say idiots nazi phrases in ventrilo... stop with that crap 😮

that's not the point, and please stop crying about the behaviour of these idiots... 😮

The question is what is the strategy against these rustic neanderthals?

Any interesting idea?

If their IP's are from the south of the US, that implyes they are not latin people?

Are you informed that in the south of the US are living some few latin people? :tumbleweed:

Please think about this:

first: In Latin America (Chile, Argentina, Brasil, Mexico, Colombia, etc) and, yes in the US as well, had became fashionable to be a NAZI... there are lots fo new nazi movements, all young but stupid people...

second: On the other hand,.... (to be continue) I need to see my kids....

When I said Latin players, I meant players playing in south america. They could be American, Russian, or some form of Tommy. I don't know.

We are crying because we are having troulbe banning them. They change ip like i change my under wear. Oh wait, that doesn't work, I don't change my under wear.

Any Ideas?

They claim to be, or pretend to be, Nazis R-Mad.It is unlikely they are of latin descent. They don't like latins, blacks, jews, gays,liberals, etc, etc. Theirs is a philosiphy of intolerance which is the main reason I despise them.

mAmA