Was I wrong...

IMHO if somebody disrespects an admin, he/she gets an admin boot in the ass and right off the server.

Suggestive names are one thing but blatantly obscene stuff like that shouldn't be allowed....at all. If it were myself in Bison's place I would have given him one chance to change the name or send him packing.

My kids watch me play sometimes and no way do I want them to see crap like that.

-JB

No Bison, I don't think you were wrong.

I do think a lot of times these situations can be diffused with a little firm straight dialog. This one ? not sure, lol.

Nitro (ilike2spooge) is clearly someone seeking attention. He treats the server like a chat room at times. At other times he plays for quite a while with hardly a comment, can't figure him.

I do get pissed off at him when he starts with the personal remarks, and I agree they should not be tolerted. He's been told before a few times about the spaming and insults.

Lets put him on a shorter leash and give him one warning and then show him the door. He's a regular and won't want to be banned. I think he will fall in line.

Regarding the names, I didn't know we had a pollicy about them. They can be offensive to some, funny to others. Do we want to get invoved in policing that too ? What about language ( four letter words and the like ) ?

mAmA

I only want to say that the server can win many other players if you are severe (but fair) enough, even with the names of players !

An offensive name is the very beginning of a "no respect attitude".

If I was more important in our DOU server I wouldn't stand this but as I'm not very often on line, I can't do more than telling you my opinion.

And one thing that I think I must lead to the door immediately is calling an admin "asshole" or anything smoother.

I can't enter as an admin because my admin tool doesn't work but you can be sure I shouldn't stand a player treating an admin or a calm and fair player !!!

But don't be afraid of that kind of reaction from me 😉 , the only thing I will surely do as soon as I can use the admin privs is to enter and watch. After that, I'll post on what I saw and you (Tommy, mAmA or any other admin) would be able to keep an eye on those concerned players.

Tommy, have you read my pm about that ?

Ok, guys, keep up the good job. grtz

MooN

".::/3I§ON wrote: I told him to shut up and play or leave and he called me an asshole. Then Hammer head told him to shut up too and he told hammer head he gives head. He finally shut up after mAmA and T popped in. I think the name shouldnt be allowed either.

{DOU} Cygnus X-1 wrote: My kids watch me play sometimes and no way do I want them to see crap like that.

{DOU} yO mAmA wrote: Regarding the names, I didn't know we had a pollicy about them. They can be offensive to some, funny to others. Do we want to get invoved in policing that too ? What about language ( four letter words and the like ) ?

A few things here to clear up the air, and even something that needs to be straightened out that wasn't mentioned. First that.

As it was previously stated, people are not following the rules about spectating. It is NOT OK to spectate for a few maps just to police the server. The purpose of allowing people to spectate is to do so once a problem user has been identified. You then watch the person to verify the offenses and then take what ever appropriate measures the infractions warrant. I myself feel very uncomfortable when I connect to the server and play only to realize that someone may be watching me. It is not in the good nature of the game style we play. Sure I screw around (as much as anyone else from time to to, ask Wave he will back that up) but I also (mostly) play seriously and want my secrets to remain secrets, not robbed by someone who that it would be cool to spectate Tommy. I feel akward when this happens and leave the server. I thouhgt that doing so would send a message but it apparently does not. So it goes this way, if there are no immediate problems on the server, do not spectate. If there are, do so only to deal with the person, and actually deal with then then and there. Enough said I should hope.

As for Bison being called an asshole by that fucktard. And his whining and bitching and general rude and disrespectful attitude toward our clam members and the others that play on our server. prepare-2012, nitro, swallowmyownjizm, or what ever he is calling himself this week, he has earned a firm slap on the wrist in the form of a 1 week ban from our sniper server. This took effect just before I started typing this post. I will make a post in the camplaints area where he can read about it. I am also tired of his comeing back every hour to give us an inventory of what he found in his fecal matter. 1 week at first and then more if necessary. I won't be able to get that message typed up tonihgt so if anybody asks please fill him in. I;ll get the post up later today.

Last, we do not censor talk at DOU, this has been our policy since day one of the clan. As the founder of the clan I had the opportunity to push my personal views and objectives into the framework of the clan. So beit, that's life. I did think it out ahead of thime and believe that it is what makes our clan so appealing to the masses.

I do understand that some people have their offspring in attendance while they play. And when we are aware of this we do try to tone it down a bit. But this clan was always an ADULT clan, as in you must be at least 13 years old to be a member. I believe this is something we all wanted as well. To be honest I want it to remain this way. It's a slippery slope if we don't. Next we would be a family friendly clan, then a christian clan, then a socially conservative clan, and on and on. It is a long and steep slope for sure. We really need to take care that something like that doesn't happen. And yes, it happens all the time, it happened in the last clan I was a member of. It really sucked.

Bottom line, we deal with the obviously problem children, and then get back to business as usual without a need to re-invent the wheel...it already works.

More when I sober up. 🙂

Tommy

you're the boss...

Tommy wrote:

Last, we do not censor talk at DOU, this has been our policy since day one of the clan. As the founder of the clan I had the opportunity to push my personal views and objectives into the framework of the clan. So beit, that's life. I did think it out ahead of thime and believe that it is what makes our clan so appealing to the masses.

I do understand that some people have their offspring in attendance while they play. And when we are aware of this we do try to tone it down a bit. But this clan was always an ADULT clan, as in you must be at least 13 years old to be a member. I believe this is something we all wanted as well. To be honest I want it to remain this way. It's a slippery slope if we don't. Next we would be a family friendly clan, then a christian clan, then a socially conservative clan, and on and on. It is a long and steep slope for sure. We really need to take care that something like that doesn't happen. And yes, it happens all the time, it happened in the last clan I was a member of. It really sucked.

Tommy

Nobody said anything about leaning toward being a Christian or socially conservative clan. All I'm talking about is blatantly obscene stuff.

Hermskii has not allowed anything like that at Curious George's and Monster Hunt Mayhem for years and there has been no "slippery slope" there. Moon (and I'm sure others) can attest to that as well.

I'm getting to the point to where I would rather just play in practice mode so I don't have to deal with all the riff-raff that seems to gravitate to our server. It is also possible we have lost opprotunities to gain quality people in the clan because I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to deal with it either.

It may not be worth much but it is my .02

-JB

I still say this is all because of Game Tracker, Drop it and we drop the bullshit.

{DOU} Cygnus X-1 wrote: [quote=Tommy]

Last, we do not censor talk at DOU, this has been our policy since day one of the clan. As the founder of the clan I had the opportunity to push my personal views and objectives into the framework of the clan. So beit, that's life. I did think it out ahead of thime and believe that it is what makes our clan so appealing to the masses.

I do understand that some people have their offspring in attendance while they play. And when we are aware of this we do try to tone it down a bit. But this clan was always an ADULT clan, as in you must be at least 13 years old to be a member. I believe this is something we all wanted as well. To be honest I want it to remain this way. It's a slippery slope if we don't. Next we would be a family friendly clan, then a christian clan, then a socially conservative clan, and on and on. It is a long and steep slope for sure. We really need to take care that something like that doesn't happen. And yes, it happens all the time, it happened in the last clan I was a member of. It really sucked.

Tommy

Nobody said anything about leaning toward being a Christian or socially conservative clan. All I'm talking about is blatantly obscene stuff.

Hermskii has not allowed anything like that at Curious George's and Monster Hunt Mayhem for years and there has been no "slippery slope" there. Moon (and I'm sure others) can attest to that as well.

I'm getting to the point to where I would rather just play in practice mode so I don't have to deal with all the riff-raff that seems to gravitate to our server. It is also possible we have lost opprotunities to gain quality people in the clan because I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to deal with it either.

It may not be worth much but it is my .02

-JB

I brought the slippery slope thing up because I have seen it happen with my own eyes. Just what I said happened to the clan I was in before I created DOU. I was a member of that clan for about 2 years but never really felt like a member if you know what I mean. Slowly but surely a few people pushed their agendas to the point where they are what I would call a christian clan now. Funny, I think a good half of the clan isn't happy with it, but they let it happen and now it is too late.

The average log file is about 50 megs in size. Any idea how much text it takes to fill up 50 megs? The average letter home to your loved one is about 2k in size. A 50 meg log file will contain over 1 million lines of text. It is impossible for me to read them through.

When I am made aware of problem people like this guy we are discussing I do take action. Someone calls a member an asshole? Banned. But more often than not I hear about the serious problems way after the fact. People sit in Spectator mode, get pissed at what they see, and then throw up their hands when talking to other people but do nothing about it. A lot of us now have the ability to kick people and I would be happy to give the ability to more. Seriously, who has kicked spooge? I think that is a fair question. If he is THAT much of a problem (and I am sure he is) then you would think someone else would have done it by now. A guy like this is much more of a problem then a blantant run and gunner. As a matter of fact, I think I was being generous last night. Unless I hear an arguement otherwise I will make Spooges ban permanent. The annoyance and vulgaraty would be the temp ban, calling a member an asshole several times for enforcing a rule, that's a permanent ban.

But there is something else I want to get out there. I have said this from the beginning. I do understand that there are a lot of younger players. But this is a violent game. If it is ok for the younglings to eityher play or watch you play a game where you seek out characters for the expressed purpose of shooting them in the head, then why would a shock be all that much of a thing.

The clan rules state that the spirit of what is said is what matters. If someone says "Hey how the fuck are you?," there was never a problem with that. If however someone says "Fuck you asshole," then there is a problem. Fuck, I say fuck all the time in vent and nobody has ever complained. Not like I never hear it either. If there is no ill-will, then I don't see the problem.

Anyway, I have more to say on this subject but I am moving away from the subject at hand.

I can wrap this up by saying, either do something or make me aware of it. Don't just get mad and hold it in until it boils over. And if you are in spectator mode, you should be in the middle of doing something.

Tommy

{DOU}Charger wrote: I still say this is all because of Game Tracker, Drop it and we drop the bullshit.

I think that would be throwing out the baby with the bath water. Think of all the great players we have picked up since then too. I do believe our last batch of new members is due to the traffic gametracker brought up. Any popular server is going to get a lot of shit on it, thats the way it goes. We can go back to being an empty server if thats what everybody wants, but I don't think that is what we want. We just need to identify the assholes from the potientals and deal with them.Some people aren't the "ideal" noobs but hold potiental if we help them out a bit, and we should in those cases. Others we need to identify and toss immediately.

It would be a good idea to create thread for problem people so we can discuss them and see which catagory they fall under. Remember, I can watch someone in irc without them knowing I am doing so. All one has to do is come to vent and say that the problem user is there and acting up and I will be all over it. Show me what I need to see and I will look.

Tommy

I think as far as Nitro or Spooge goes, he is just being a kid (he is right?)

I think he will calm down over the long run.

Tommy wrote:
The annoyance and vulgaraty would be the temp ban, calling a member an asshole several times for enforcing a rule, that's a permanent ban.

But there is something else I want to get out there. I have said this from the beginning. I do understand that there are a lot of younger players. But this is a violent game. If it is ok for the younglings to eityher play or watch you play a game where you seek out characters for the expressed purpose of shooting them in the head, then why would a shock be all that much of a thing.

The clan rules state that the spirit of what is said is what matters. If someone says "Hey how the fuck are you?," there was never a problem with that. If however someone says "Fuck you asshole," then there is a problem. Fuck, I say fuck all the time in vent and nobody has ever complained. Not like I never hear it either. If there is no ill-will, then I don't see the problem.

Tommy

The non-malicious stuff I have no problem with and was not the point I was after. My point was exactly was what you said..."The annoyance and vulgaraty would be the temp ban, calling a member an asshole several times for enforcing a rule, that's a permanent ban."

I'm not asking for any more than that.

-JB

Tommy wrote:
Seriously, who has kicked spooge? I think that is a fair question. If he is THAT much of a problem (and I am sure he is) then you would think someone else would have done it by now.

Tommy

I did Tommy, and several others. I posted about it as I do each of them. It's under "mAmA Kicked Nitro"

I have devoted a lot of my time to monitoring the server trying to clean it up. I have no computer skills or graphic skills to offer the clan, so I thought this was a way I could contribute. A lot of players seemed to find comfort in having someone they could complain to. I never played in any map I spectated in, not once.

To Tommy and anyone else I have unknowingly offended by my sitting in spectator mode trying to watch the noobs and problem players, I appologize. I thought I was helping.

If it makes any of you feel any better. I only spent time watching people I knew were potential problems. In the last 6 weeks or so I have probably logged about 70 hours watching people and in all that time I can tell you...

A) Most of the time people pick the same old maps over and over

B) In all that time I have honestly only found 1 hidding spot I had not known and it was in "bommies resort".

AND ....

C) My game has not improved at all as a result of anything I may have learned. As a matter of fact my reaction time has slowed from playing less.

Tommy, As far as my being able to tell you were bothered by it simply because you left the server, you've got to be kidding. You have been in Vent many times when I was there all you had to do was say something. You have known for sometime what I have been doing. We have had conversations while I was doing it. It's your show, I'll stop effective immediately.

Again to all, my appologies.

mAmA

I dont mind and I have done it as well. I go in as spec. when I see someone who has been suspicious to me b4.

i dont mind an admin spectating i do see tommy's point but i also can see a huge difference in the repectfullness and play habbits of regular players on the server when a admin is present spectating or playing. some players dont listen to us lower end members but i know all i have to do is let one of you know and youll look into it. so overall i dont have a problem wid admin specs. long as theres no suspetion of useing for the wrong reason