The Jargonaut wrote: I just can not imagine a deemer flying at 4 or 5x speed. Do you folks that have seen this know if it is the same on a non-guided deemer?
If so, then this could be the end of an era. Aimbots are useless with deemers, as I have seen someone try and use one. Suicided more than fraged.
I have never seen radar, but I imagine that it is useless as well.
Fast redeemers,OTOH, would be unstoppable in the right hands.
...sigh...
I just do not get why someone would want to cheat anyways. It proves nothing, except that the cheater has no real skills.
Yes, non guided deemers were so fast that even seeing them from a great distance, Ive been nuked before reaching any close cover !!! It was really funny to see this "accelerated movie" of a deemer coming to me !
LOL. Funny about worrying about Jarg. I never worry about him. He is one of the best as far as being a great person all around. I don't think any real SRA/CG/DOU people could stand themselves using a cheat.
No Herm, me either. I can't see any DOU or CG regulars stooping so low.
I'd wager it was someone who thought he or she was better than he or she actually was and was schooled, then came back to 'even' the score.
Some people just can't take losing in any form and will cheat to keep it that way.
I will use any available resource that comes with the server to win a map but it wouldn't be a victory to me to have to bring in some kind of cheat with me.
-jb
Hermskii wrote: LOL. Funny about worrying about Jarg. I never worry about him. He is one of the best as far as being a great person all around. I don't think any real SRA/CG/DOU people could stand themselves using a cheat.
Except for Mah !!! 😆
Speaken of a "speed hook". Have you seen the same thing on the Sniper server? I've seen something similar. As soon as you would spawn the guy would shoot you, all of you, and the game would be over in less than a minute.
MEAT wrote: Speaken of a "speed hook". Have you seen the same thing on the Sniper server? I've seen something similar. As soon as you would spawn the guy would shoot you, all of you, and the game would be over in less than a minute.
On some sniper servers without any "anti cheat" prog (PURE or UTDC) you can see some guys using "aimbot" hook wich aims without you have anything to do !
Every target all around take a headshot in less time that you can imagine !
Even if the guy that shoots you shows his back.
Some other hooks are Helios Radar, tools that show the little red tag we see in deemer playing but in that case, the guys can see the location of the red tag through walls and doors ! Easy to go and kill the guys when you know how to surprise him. 🙄
Besides that stuff, there are some really good snipers that you can suppose they cheat and they don't !!! I know 3 or 4 of those in run and gun Alienclan server ! Amazing skilled guys ! Especially a frenchie named (_@_)_Zero and another one even better called SG-POEN...
Thank you for the kind words, Herm. The feeling is mutual.
No, I have never cheated. I can not see why anyone would. You are not improving your skills at all.
Hey. I just thought of something. In DM-Crane, if someone teleports to the streets and sprays, the redeemers come up at an alarming rate. I believe that this is due to the massive amount of redeemers the game has to render and track. Is this "speed hook" similar to this?
Thanks Jarg and I'd have to say no to answer your question. A speed hook is a cheat that takes proper code in packets that we'll call the truth and alters it just enough that the checksum of the packet stays close enough to normal that it is accepted as true though it is not. The packet then reports the truth + 1. If I kept asking you how much money you had every second for one minute and all you actually had was a cent but each time you answer me with "a cent +1", after one minute you'd actually have 1 cent but I'd think that you had 61 cents. This is a remarkably bad example but it's all I got.
So you are saying that this is an additive cheat? i.e. The redeemers keep getting faster with time.
Or is it a static effect? i.e. The redeemer stays at the same speed, just faster.
A couple of months ago we did have a cheater using a radar/wall hack one night at CG. There were about four of us playing in total. Two of the players were rather new to the mod, and inexperienced. The cheater must have had some experience because he was hard to frag, although we could nuke him now and then. Before he came in I had been dashing around the maps mostly telefragging, trying to keep the newbs on their toes. But when the cheater came in I found it quite impossible to get up to him and telefrag him. He'd always launch a rocket and hook it around the corner at the last minute.
This is the only scenario where I think that this cheat could have helped him. If there had been more regs or a full house, the maps would have been too busy for him to be helped much by the cheat, I think.
I don't know Jarg. I think it reports static but responds dynamic. I don't understand the code to cheats so my explanation is more guess than fact but I am sure it works along those lines.
I would like to research this a little. I am thinking about installing a version of UT on a seperate partition and see how these cheats work. Not to ruin the game for others but to see if in fact these do pose a threat to redeemer servers.
I would not reveal the location or name of the cheats on public forums, but I could let the admins know if there is something viable out there that needs to be stopped.
Before I do this, would such actions get my IP banned from the servers?
Hey Jarg, go for it man! You can use CG as your test site. Log in under a different name too. Lets see if it even gets reported. If you do get banned just send me what your player name was and I'll unban you. EASY! Good luck and keep me up to date with your findings.
MEAT wrote: Speaken of a "speed hook". Have you seen the same thing on the Sniper server? I've seen something similar. As soon as you would spawn the guy would shoot you, all of you, and the game would be over in less than a minute.
It seems like someone knows a map good enough to find a good spot where the guy can see most of the map and know where everyone spawns... Which isn't really hard to do but there's alot of maps to choose from on the servers and to pick one that you really know may give you more of an edge...
"The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody else to shoot at!!"
Yes. Map knowledge is a key. I sometimes use a "fishing" technique of unfamiliar maps. Just find a spot. Squat. Let loose a few deemers. Hope for the best.
This is how you can find those sweet spots that the deemer regs use.
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